Surf's Up on Titan: Unveiling Waves on Saturn's Mysterious Moon
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Surf's Up on Titan: Unveiling Waves on Saturn's Mysterious Moon

Wednesday SpaceTime 20261014 Series 29 Episode 123 Surfs up on the Saturnian moon Titan A new study suggests lakes and seas on the Saturnian moon Titan could produce a three metre surf under the right conditions. How planet Earth rock and rolls on its axis Ancient sea-level changes have provided new evidence showing that planet Earth experienced episodes of rapid true polar wander during the Jurassic and Cretaceous periods. Scientists have Glueballs Physicists finally discovered the long elusive glueball, a particle made entirely of elemental particles called gluons. The Science Report New warnings about the deadly dangers of daylight saving time. Claims too much exposure to light during the night may be influencing the shape of your heart. Discovery of the first ever Diplodocus dinosaur fossils outside North America. Warnings that people in the early stages of psychosis may be more vulnerable to AI chatbots. Alex on Tech China’s growing robot army.

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00:00:00 --> 00:00:01 Stuart Gary: This is space time.

00:00:01 --> 00:00:03 Stuart Gary: Series 29, episode 123 will

00:00:03 --> 00:00:06 broadcast on the 14th of October 2026.

00:00:07 --> 00:00:10 Coming up on Space Time. Surf's up

00:00:10 --> 00:00:12 on Titan. How planet Earth rock and

00:00:12 --> 00:00:13 rolls on

00:00:13 --> 00:00:16 Stuart Gary: its axis and scientists have glue

00:00:16 --> 00:00:16 balls.

00:00:17 --> 00:00:19 Stuart Gary: All that and more coming up on Space

00:00:19 --> 00:00:20 Time.

00:00:21 --> 00:00:24 Stuart Gary: Welcome to Space Time with Stuart.

00:00:40 --> 00:00:43 Stuart Gary: A new study suggests that lakes and seas on

00:00:43 --> 00:00:45 the Saturni moon titan can produce 3 metre

00:00:45 --> 00:00:48 surf under the right conditions. The

00:00:48 --> 00:00:50 findings, reported in the Journal of

00:00:50 --> 00:00:52 Geophysical Research Planets, are based on a

00:00:52 --> 00:00:55 new wave model developed by scientists at

00:00:55 --> 00:00:57 mit. The Planet Waves Computer

00:00:57 --> 00:00:59 programme is the first to capture the full

00:00:59 --> 00:01:02 dynamics of waves and what it takes to whip

00:01:02 --> 00:01:05 them up under different planet conditions. It

00:01:05 --> 00:01:08 indicates that while on a calm day here on

00:01:08 --> 00:01:10 Earth, a light breeze might barely ripple the

00:01:10 --> 00:01:12 surface of a lake, on Saturn's largest moon,

00:01:12 --> 00:01:15 Titan, a similar mild wind would kick up

00:01:15 --> 00:01:17 three metre tall waves. The

00:01:17 --> 00:01:19 authors applied the model to predict how

00:01:19 --> 00:01:21 waves would behave on planetary bodies that

00:01:21 --> 00:01:24 might host liquid lakes and oceans, including

00:01:24 --> 00:01:27 the liquid methane and ethane seas of Titan,

00:01:27 --> 00:01:29 as well as water on ancient Mars and

00:01:29 --> 00:01:31 hypothetical oceans on three exoplanets

00:01:31 --> 00:01:34 beyond our solar system. The new computer

00:01:34 --> 00:01:36 programme shows that a gentle wind would be

00:01:36 --> 00:01:38 enough to stir up huge waves on Titan, where

00:01:38 --> 00:01:40 lakes are filled with light liquid

00:01:40 --> 00:01:43 hydrocarbons. In contrast, it would take

00:01:43 --> 00:01:45 hurricane forced winds to barely move the

00:01:45 --> 00:01:48 surface of a lake on the exoplanet 55

00:01:48 --> 00:01:50 Cancri e, which is thought to be a lava world

00:01:51 --> 00:01:53 covered in hot, dense, molten liquid rock.

00:01:54 --> 00:01:56 The study's lead author, Andrew Ashton from

00:01:56 --> 00:01:58 the Woods Hole Oceanographic Institute, says,

00:01:58 --> 00:02:00 on Earth, we get accustomed to certain wave

00:02:00 --> 00:02:03 dynamics, but with this model, we can see how

00:02:03 --> 00:02:06 waves behave on other planets, planets with

00:02:06 --> 00:02:08 different liquids, different atmospheres and

00:02:08 --> 00:02:10 even different gravity, all of which can

00:02:10 --> 00:02:12 challenge our intuition. Ashton and

00:02:12 --> 00:02:14 colleagues were especially keen to see how

00:02:14 --> 00:02:17 waves would form on Titan. This

00:02:17 --> 00:02:19 massive moon is the only planetary body in

00:02:19 --> 00:02:21 our solar system other than Earth that's

00:02:21 --> 00:02:23 known to currently host liquid lakes. And

00:02:23 --> 00:02:25 anywhere where there's a liquid surface with

00:02:25 --> 00:02:27 wind blowing over it, there's the potential

00:02:27 --> 00:02:30 to make waves. For Titan, the

00:02:30 --> 00:02:32 tantalising thing is that we don't actually

00:02:32 --> 00:02:34 have any direct observations of, uh, what

00:02:34 --> 00:02:36 these waves would look like. So we don't know

00:02:36 --> 00:02:38 for sure what kind of waves could exist

00:02:38 --> 00:02:40 there. And that's where this new model comes

00:02:40 --> 00:02:43 in. It gives us an idea. When wind

00:02:43 --> 00:02:45 blows over water, it creates waves that can

00:02:45 --> 00:02:48 be strong enough to carve out coastlines and

00:02:48 --> 00:02:50 redistribute sediment brought to the coast by

00:02:50 --> 00:02:53 rivers. Through this process, waves can be a

00:02:53 --> 00:02:55 significant force in shaping and reshaping

00:02:55 --> 00:02:58 landscape over time. The authors were

00:02:58 --> 00:03:00 wondering how waves might behave on other

00:03:00 --> 00:03:02 worlds where gravity, atmospheric conditions

00:03:02 --> 00:03:04 and liquid compositions could be very

00:03:04 --> 00:03:06 different from what's found here on Earth.

00:03:06 --> 00:03:08 Now, uh, there have been previous attempts to

00:03:08 --> 00:03:10 try and predict how gravity affects waves on

00:03:10 --> 00:03:12 other planets, but they don't quantify other

00:03:12 --> 00:03:14 factors, such as the composition of the

00:03:14 --> 00:03:17 liquid that's making the waves. But this new

00:03:17 --> 00:03:19 computer programme takes all that into

00:03:19 --> 00:03:21 account. Not just the planet's gravity, but

00:03:21 --> 00:03:23 also the properties of its surface liquid,

00:03:23 --> 00:03:26 such as density, viscosity and even surface

00:03:26 --> 00:03:28 tension. How, uh, resistant the liquid is to

00:03:28 --> 00:03:30 rippling. The authors also incorporated the

00:03:30 --> 00:03:32 effect of the planet's atmospheric pressure

00:03:32 --> 00:03:34 and how a planet's liquid surface would

00:03:34 --> 00:03:37 evolve in response to winds of a given speed.

00:03:37 --> 00:03:39 Ashton and colleagues first tested their new

00:03:39 --> 00:03:41 model using wave data here on Earth. Using

00:03:41 --> 00:03:43 measurements of waves that were collected by

00:03:43 --> 00:03:46 buoys across Lake Superior over a 20 year

00:03:46 --> 00:03:49 span, they found their model, which took into

00:03:49 --> 00:03:50 account Earth's gravity, the composition of

00:03:50 --> 00:03:53 liquid water and the atmospheric conditions,

00:03:53 --> 00:03:55 was able to accurately predict the, the wind

00:03:55 --> 00:03:57 speeds it would take to generate waves across

00:03:57 --> 00:03:59 the lake and how high those waves would grow

00:03:59 --> 00:04:02 for a given wind strength. They then applied

00:04:02 --> 00:04:04 their model to predict how waves would behave

00:04:04 --> 00:04:06 on other planetary bodies that are known to

00:04:06 --> 00:04:09 host liquid on their surface. So they first

00:04:09 --> 00:04:11 looked at Titan, where NASA's Cassini mission

00:04:11 --> 00:04:13 previously captured radar images of lake

00:04:13 --> 00:04:16 formations and where NASA's new Dragonfly

00:04:16 --> 00:04:19 mission will soon go. The authors used the

00:04:19 --> 00:04:21 new model to calculate the Moon's wave

00:04:21 --> 00:04:23 dynamics, given its gravity, atmospheric

00:04:23 --> 00:04:26 pressure and liquid composition. And they

00:04:26 --> 00:04:28 found that on Titan, it's surprisingly easy

00:04:28 --> 00:04:30 to make waves. See, the relatively light

00:04:30 --> 00:04:32 liquid combined with low gravity and

00:04:32 --> 00:04:35 atmospheric pressure means that even a gentle

00:04:35 --> 00:04:38 wind can stir up huge waves. To you

00:04:38 --> 00:04:40 and me, the result would look like really

00:04:40 --> 00:04:42 tall waves, but moving in slow motion.

00:04:43 --> 00:04:45 If you were standing on the shore of this

00:04:45 --> 00:04:47 lake, you might feel only a soft breeze, but

00:04:47 --> 00:04:49 you'd see these enormous waves heading

00:04:49 --> 00:04:51 towards you, which you simply wouldn't expect

00:04:51 --> 00:04:53 to see under those conditions on Earth.

00:04:54 --> 00:04:56 The authors then considered wave activity on

00:04:56 --> 00:04:58 ancient Mars when the Red Planet was a

00:04:58 --> 00:05:01 warmer, wetter world. Mars hosts many

00:05:01 --> 00:05:03 impact basins that were once filled with

00:05:03 --> 00:05:05 water before the planet's atmosphere

00:05:05 --> 00:05:08 dissipated. The water evaporated away and

00:05:08 --> 00:05:10 Mars was transformed into a freeze dried

00:05:10 --> 00:05:13 desert. Uh, one of these basins they looked

00:05:13 --> 00:05:15 at was Jezero Crater, which is currently

00:05:15 --> 00:05:17 being explored by NASA's Perseverance rover.

00:05:17 --> 00:05:19 With a new model, the authors were able to

00:05:19 --> 00:05:21 show that as the Red Planet's atmosphere

00:05:21 --> 00:05:24 gradually Disappeared, reducing its pressure.

00:05:24 --> 00:05:26 Over time it would have required stronger and

00:05:26 --> 00:05:29 stronger winds to make the same sized waves.

00:05:30 --> 00:05:32 And beyond our solar system, they applied the

00:05:32 --> 00:05:35 model to three different exoplanets. The

00:05:35 --> 00:05:38 first, LHS1140B is a cool

00:05:38 --> 00:05:40 super Earth, colder and larger than our

00:05:40 --> 00:05:43 planet. It hosts liquid water, but because

00:05:43 --> 00:05:45 it's so large it also has stronger gravity.

00:05:45 --> 00:05:47 And the model showed that the same wind on

00:05:47 --> 00:05:49 Earth, uh, would generate much smaller waves

00:05:49 --> 00:05:52 of water on a super Earth due to that

00:05:52 --> 00:05:54 difference in gravity. Meanwhile, on Kepler

00:05:54 --> 00:05:57 1649b, a Venus like planet which has

00:05:57 --> 00:05:59 gravity similar to Earth's but with lakes of

00:05:59 --> 00:06:02 sulfuric acid which are about twice as dense

00:06:02 --> 00:06:04 as water is. The authors found that it would

00:06:04 --> 00:06:06 take strong winds to make even a ripple. And

00:06:06 --> 00:06:08 the effect was even more pronounced on the

00:06:08 --> 00:06:11 third exoplanet, 55 Cancri e.

00:06:11 --> 00:06:14 A lava world that has both higher gravity

00:06:14 --> 00:06:16 than Earth and also much denser, more viscous

00:06:16 --> 00:06:19 surface liquid. Scientists suspect the planet

00:06:19 --> 00:06:22 hosts oceans of liquefied rock. In

00:06:22 --> 00:06:23 this environment, the model predicts

00:06:23 --> 00:06:26 hurricane force winds on Earth about 140

00:06:26 --> 00:06:28 kilometres per hour would generate only very

00:06:28 --> 00:06:30 small waves, just a few centimetres high.

00:06:31 --> 00:06:33 The new models also helped answer long

00:06:33 --> 00:06:35 standing questions of planetary landscape

00:06:35 --> 00:06:38 formation. See unlike Earth, where there's

00:06:38 --> 00:06:40 often a delta where a river meets the coast,

00:06:40 --> 00:06:42 on Titan there are very few things

00:06:42 --> 00:06:43 Stuart Gary: that look like river deltas.

00:06:43 --> 00:06:45 Stuart Gary: Even though there are plenty of rivers and

00:06:45 --> 00:06:48 coastlines. The question is, could waves

00:06:48 --> 00:06:49 be responsible for this?

00:06:50 --> 00:06:53 NASA's Dragonfly mission will launch in 2028.

00:06:53 --> 00:06:56 Arriving in the titanium system in 2034.

00:06:57 --> 00:07:00 The car sized nuclear powered rotocopter will

00:07:00 --> 00:07:02 fly autonomously to numerous locations,

00:07:02 --> 00:07:04 focusing on the Shangri La June field and the

00:07:04 --> 00:07:07 Selick impact crater. Uh, it will use a mass

00:07:07 --> 00:07:09 spectrometer, a gamma ray and neutron

00:07:09 --> 00:07:11 spectrometer, a suite of cameras and a drill

00:07:11 --> 00:07:13 system to study this strange world's

00:07:13 --> 00:07:16 prebiotic chemistry, its surface organic

00:07:16 --> 00:07:18 compounds and planetary habitability.

00:07:19 --> 00:07:22 This report on Dragonfly from NASA tv.

00:07:22 --> 00:07:25 Stuart Gary: NASA is pushing the boundaries of human

00:07:25 --> 00:07:27 knowledge and expanding the limits of

00:07:27 --> 00:07:30 technology. Our next New Frontiers

00:07:30 --> 00:07:33 mission, Dragonfly will explore

00:07:33 --> 00:07:35 Saturn's largest moon, Titan.

00:07:35 --> 00:07:38 Dragonfly will be the first drone lander with

00:07:38 --> 00:07:41 the capability to fly over 100 miles through

00:07:41 --> 00:07:43 Titan's thick atmosphere. Titan is

00:07:43 --> 00:07:46 unlike any other place in our solar system

00:07:46 --> 00:07:48 and the most comparable is to early Earth.

00:07:48 --> 00:07:50 The instruments on board will help us

00:07:50 --> 00:07:53 investigate organic chemistry and search for

00:07:53 --> 00:07:56 chemical signatures of past, um, or even

00:07:56 --> 00:07:57 present life.

00:07:58 --> 00:08:01 Nicky Fox: So we have on um, Titan opportunity

00:08:01 --> 00:08:03 to observe the processes that um, were

00:08:03 --> 00:08:05 present on early Earth when life began to

00:08:05 --> 00:08:08 form and possibly even conditions that may

00:08:08 --> 00:08:11 be able to harbour life today. One of the

00:08:11 --> 00:08:14 things that is particularly exciting about

00:08:14 --> 00:08:16 this mission is that we can do the very

00:08:16 --> 00:08:18 detailed chemical measurements, but be able

00:08:18 --> 00:08:21 to put them in the context of Titan as a

00:08:21 --> 00:08:21 system.

00:08:21 --> 00:08:24 Stuart Gary: It's the science that really motivates us to

00:08:24 --> 00:08:27 do this exciting and difficult measure. And

00:08:27 --> 00:08:29 in that report from NASA tv, we heard from

00:08:29 --> 00:08:31 the agency's administrator, Jim Bridenstine,

00:08:31 --> 00:08:33 the director of NASA's Planetary Science

00:08:33 --> 00:08:36 Division, Laurie Gleise, Dragonfly Principal

00:08:36 --> 00:08:38 Investigator Elizabeth Turtle, and the

00:08:38 --> 00:08:40 associate administrator of NASA's Science

00:08:40 --> 00:08:42 Mission Directorate, Thomas Aboukin.

00:08:43 --> 00:08:45 Stuart Gary: This is space time still to come.

00:08:46 --> 00:08:49 How planet Earth rock and rolls on its axis

00:08:49 --> 00:08:52 and scientists have glue balls. All that

00:08:52 --> 00:08:54 and more still to come on, um, spacetime.

00:09:10 --> 00:09:12 Ancient sea level changes have provided new

00:09:12 --> 00:09:14 evidence showing that planet Earth

00:09:14 --> 00:09:17 experienced episodes of what's known as rapid

00:09:17 --> 00:09:20 true polar wander during the Jurassic and

00:09:20 --> 00:09:23 Cretaceous periods. Because the Earth isn't a

00:09:23 --> 00:09:25 perfect sphere, its rotational axis is

00:09:25 --> 00:09:26 naturally balanced by

00:09:26 --> 00:09:28 Stuart Gary: the distribution of mass around the planet.

00:09:29 --> 00:09:32 Stuart Gary: So when tectonic and mantle processes like

00:09:32 --> 00:09:34 continental drift redistribute mass, this

00:09:34 --> 00:09:37 balance can be disturbed. And that causes the

00:09:37 --> 00:09:40 solid Earth to reorient itself relative to

00:09:40 --> 00:09:42 its spin axis. And that's the phenomenon, uh,

00:09:42 --> 00:09:44 which scientists call true polar wander.

00:09:45 --> 00:09:47 During true polar wander, the crust and

00:09:47 --> 00:09:49 mantle effectively shift relative to the

00:09:49 --> 00:09:52 Earth's, uh, spin axis, while the core and

00:09:52 --> 00:09:54 climate belts remain tied to the axis. So

00:09:54 --> 00:09:57 this means, for example, that a region near

00:09:57 --> 00:09:59 the north pole can end up near the equator

00:09:59 --> 00:10:01 and an area near the equator can shift

00:10:01 --> 00:10:04 upwards to the pole. When scientists study

00:10:04 --> 00:10:06 true polar wonder, they usually look at

00:10:06 --> 00:10:08 evidence of ancient magnetic fields locked in

00:10:08 --> 00:10:11 rocks. That's because large rapid episodes

00:10:11 --> 00:10:13 of true polar wander can produce major

00:10:13 --> 00:10:16 changes in climate, the biosphere and the

00:10:16 --> 00:10:19 Earth's magnetic field. However, determining

00:10:19 --> 00:10:21 whether rapid true polar wander has occurred

00:10:21 --> 00:10:23 in the past is challenging because tectonic

00:10:23 --> 00:10:26 motion can mimic true polar wonder

00:10:26 --> 00:10:28 signatures. And previous studies have yielded

00:10:28 --> 00:10:31 conflicting interpretations from negligible

00:10:31 --> 00:10:33 or slow true polar wander, uh, to brief

00:10:33 --> 00:10:35 episodes of rapid large scale reorientation.

00:10:36 --> 00:10:38 The new findings, reported in the journal

00:10:38 --> 00:10:41 Science, refute the view that true polar

00:10:41 --> 00:10:43 wonder is negligible or persistently slow.

00:10:44 --> 00:10:47 Stuart Gary: It shows that this provides an episodic

00:10:47 --> 00:10:49 Stuart Gary: control on sea level change and possibly on

00:10:49 --> 00:10:51 other global environmental and biological

00:10:51 --> 00:10:54 dynamics. To determine the truth,

00:10:54 --> 00:10:56 the study's lead author, Matthew Daumier from

00:10:56 --> 00:10:57 the University of

00:10:57 --> 00:10:59 Stuart Gary: Oslo, developed a new way to detect

00:10:59 --> 00:11:02 Stuart Gary: true polar wonder by examining ancient sea

00:11:02 --> 00:11:05 level changes. Because true polar wander

00:11:05 --> 00:11:07 can cause predictable global spanning

00:11:07 --> 00:11:08 patterns of continental flooding and

00:11:08 --> 00:11:11 Exposure. Dummeer and colleagues analysed

00:11:11 --> 00:11:13 maps of these changes at 10 million year

00:11:13 --> 00:11:14 intervals, and they used statistical

00:11:14 --> 00:11:17 modelling to identify patterns consistent

00:11:17 --> 00:11:19 with rapid true polar wander over the past

00:11:19 --> 00:11:22 320 million years. When

00:11:22 --> 00:11:24 our planet's solid outer layers shift

00:11:24 --> 00:11:27 relative to its spin axis, the oceans respond

00:11:27 --> 00:11:29 faster than what the solid Earth can change

00:11:29 --> 00:11:32 shape. And this causes relative sea levels to

00:11:32 --> 00:11:34 rise in two opposite regions and fall into

00:11:34 --> 00:11:37 others. And finding that distinct high and

00:11:37 --> 00:11:39 low pattern across ancient maps helped the

00:11:39 --> 00:11:42 authors confirm when rapid true polar wonder

00:11:42 --> 00:11:44 actually occurred. Their

00:11:44 --> 00:11:46 analysis revealed four intervals with

00:11:46 --> 00:11:49 significant true polar wonder signals.

00:11:50 --> 00:11:52 One was during the Oligocene and miocene

00:11:52 --> 00:11:54 period, between 30 and 20 million years ago.

00:11:55 --> 00:11:57 Another happened in the mid Cretaceous

00:11:57 --> 00:11:59 between 190 million years ago.

00:12:00 --> 00:12:01 Stuart Gary: There was one in the Late Jurassic

00:12:01 --> 00:12:04 Stuart Gary: at early Cretaceous between 150 and 140

00:12:04 --> 00:12:07 million years ago, and another during the

00:12:07 --> 00:12:09 early Jurassic between 200 and

00:12:09 --> 00:12:12 190 million years ago. The new

00:12:12 --> 00:12:14 findings broadly corroborate earlier

00:12:14 --> 00:12:16 paleomagnetic and plate motion studies, which

00:12:16 --> 00:12:19 have already suggested that rapid true polar

00:12:19 --> 00:12:20 wonder is real.

00:12:20 --> 00:12:23 Stuart Gary: This is space time. Still to come, the

00:12:23 --> 00:12:25 discovery of glue

00:12:25 --> 00:12:27 Stuart Gary: balls, and later in the Science report,

00:12:27 --> 00:12:30 new warnings about the dangers of daylight

00:12:30 --> 00:12:32 saving and it's actually worse than you

00:12:32 --> 00:12:32 think.

00:12:33 --> 00:12:35 Stuart Gary: All that and more still to come on space

00:12:35 --> 00:12:36 time.

00:12:45 --> 00:12:47 Physicists have finally discovered long

00:12:47 --> 00:12:50 elusive glue balls, a substance made

00:12:50 --> 00:12:52 entirely of elemental particles called

00:12:52 --> 00:12:55 gluons. The new findings, reported at

00:12:55 --> 00:12:56 the International Conference on High Energy

00:12:56 --> 00:12:59 Physics in Brazil, is the strongest evidence

00:12:59 --> 00:13:01 yet confirming the existence of this exotic

00:13:01 --> 00:13:03 form of matter composed entirely, or at least

00:13:03 --> 00:13:06 almost entirely, of particles carrying the

00:13:06 --> 00:13:08 strong nuclear force. The discovery by

00:13:08 --> 00:13:10 scientists from the international Bears 3

00:13:10 --> 00:13:12 collaboration at the Beijing Electron

00:13:12 --> 00:13:14 Positron Collider was able to reach a

00:13:14 --> 00:13:16 significance of 11.7-sigma.

00:13:17 --> 00:13:19 Now, in particle physics, the gold standard

00:13:19 --> 00:13:21 threshold for the confirmation of a new fact

00:13:21 --> 00:13:24 is five sigma. Gluons are, uh,

00:13:25 --> 00:13:27 force particles, which carry the strong

00:13:27 --> 00:13:29 nuclear force, which is the most powerful of

00:13:29 --> 00:13:31 the four fundamental forces in nature.

00:13:31 --> 00:13:32 Roughly a hundred times stronger than

00:13:32 --> 00:13:35 electromagnetism and 100 trillion trillion,

00:13:35 --> 00:13:37 trillion times stronger than gravity. The

00:13:37 --> 00:13:40 strong nuclear force confines quarks

00:13:40 --> 00:13:43 inside protons and neutrons, and it binds

00:13:43 --> 00:13:45 these and other hadrons together inside

00:13:45 --> 00:13:47 atomic nuclei, overcoming the electrostatic

00:13:47 --> 00:13:49 repulsion of the positively charged protons.

00:13:50 --> 00:13:53 But the strong force only acts over extremely

00:13:53 --> 00:13:55 short distances, typically between just one

00:13:55 --> 00:13:57 and three femtometers, dropping off rapidly

00:13:57 --> 00:14:00 past the edge of an atomic nucleus. The thing

00:14:00 --> 00:14:03 is, quantum chromodynamics predicts that

00:14:03 --> 00:14:05 gluons could attract one another and bind

00:14:05 --> 00:14:07 together independently. And that's where this

00:14:07 --> 00:14:09 new discovery comes in. It follows a

00:14:09 --> 00:14:11 comprehensive analysis of more than 100

00:14:11 --> 00:14:14 billion particle collisions showing that a

00:14:14 --> 00:14:16 particle designated as X2370 is

00:14:16 --> 00:14:19 dominated by a glue ball component. Because

00:14:19 --> 00:14:22 gluons themselves carry a colour charge, they

00:14:22 --> 00:14:24 can stick together to form a stable particle

00:14:24 --> 00:14:26 of pure self interacting force without any

00:14:26 --> 00:14:29 valence quarks inside. By the way, colour

00:14:29 --> 00:14:31 change, that's a property of quarks and

00:14:31 --> 00:14:33 gluons that dictates how they interact

00:14:33 --> 00:14:35 through the strong nuclear force. In particle

00:14:35 --> 00:14:38 physics it acts sort of similar to an

00:14:38 --> 00:14:40 electric charge, but it comes in three types

00:14:40 --> 00:14:42 labelled red, blue and green, instead of just

00:14:42 --> 00:14:44 positive and negative. By the way, those

00:14:44 --> 00:14:46 names red, blue and green aren't really

00:14:46 --> 00:14:48 colours, they're just used for convenience

00:14:48 --> 00:14:51 sake. The authors first detected the

00:14:51 --> 00:14:53 X2370 particle back in 2011

00:14:53 --> 00:14:56 and spent the next 15 years mapping its

00:14:56 --> 00:14:59 properties and finding its spin parity. The

00:14:59 --> 00:15:00 new data uh, reported to the Institute of

00:15:00 --> 00:15:03 High Energy physics confirmed that x2370

00:15:03 --> 00:15:06 decays in a mathematical flavour singlet

00:15:06 --> 00:15:09 signature. That means it breaks down evenly

00:15:09 --> 00:15:11 across particle types without showing any

00:15:11 --> 00:15:13 preference for its specific quark flavour, a

00:15:13 --> 00:15:15 fundamental constant in a particle born

00:15:15 --> 00:15:18 purely nucleadic gluons. Quarks also come

00:15:18 --> 00:15:20 in three colour types of red, blue and green,

00:15:20 --> 00:15:23 as well as six flavours up, down, top,

00:15:23 --> 00:15:25 bottom or beauty, charm and strange.

00:15:26 --> 00:15:29 Ordinary subatomic mass is determined heavily

00:15:29 --> 00:15:32 by the quarks inside them. But a gluon's

00:15:32 --> 00:15:34 mass emerges almost entirely out of the

00:15:34 --> 00:15:36 vacuum state kinetic energy of the strong

00:15:36 --> 00:15:39 nuclear force itself. Proving

00:15:39 --> 00:15:41 that massless force mediators can bind

00:15:41 --> 00:15:43 together generating measurable mass confirms

00:15:43 --> 00:15:45 the non ablian gauge structure of the

00:15:45 --> 00:15:47 standard model of particle physics at low

00:15:47 --> 00:15:50 energy limits. While quantum mechanics

00:15:50 --> 00:15:53 dictates that the X2370 state likely

00:15:53 --> 00:15:55 mixes a small percentage of ordinary quarks

00:15:55 --> 00:15:57 into the structure at uh, roughly an 80:20

00:15:57 --> 00:15:59 ratio. The dominance of the glue ball

00:15:59 --> 00:16:02 component represents an historic shift in

00:16:02 --> 00:16:04 science's understanding of these basic

00:16:04 --> 00:16:07 building blocks of the universe. It's a

00:16:07 --> 00:16:09 fascinating discovery and will open a new

00:16:09 --> 00:16:11 window into quantum dynamics.

00:16:12 --> 00:16:14 This is space, time.

00:16:30 --> 00:16:32 And time. Now to take another brief look at

00:16:32 --> 00:16:33 some of the other stories making news in

00:16:33 --> 00:16:35 Science this week with a science report.

00:16:36 --> 00:16:39 A new study says that sticking with standard

00:16:39 --> 00:16:41 time is more likely better overall for a

00:16:41 --> 00:16:43 population's health than swapping to daylight

00:16:43 --> 00:16:46 savings time. The findings, reported in the

00:16:46 --> 00:16:48 Canadian Medical Association Journal looked

00:16:48 --> 00:16:50 at how different Canadian regions might act

00:16:50 --> 00:16:52 if they were to switch to just a single time

00:16:52 --> 00:16:55 zone for the year. Several regions in the

00:16:55 --> 00:16:57 country are considering ditching the time

00:16:57 --> 00:16:59 changing between summer and winter and the

00:16:59 --> 00:17:01 authors say there's evidence that time zone

00:17:01 --> 00:17:03 changes are linked to short term health and

00:17:03 --> 00:17:06 safety risks. The authors analysed existing

00:17:06 --> 00:17:08 research on the effects of daylight savings

00:17:08 --> 00:17:10 versus standard time to figure out which

00:17:10 --> 00:17:12 would be more suitable to keep permanently

00:17:13 --> 00:17:15 the transition at daylight saving time

00:17:15 --> 00:17:17 disrupts circadian rhythms and sleep wake

00:17:17 --> 00:17:20 cycles leading to acute cardiovascular

00:17:20 --> 00:17:22 stress, including a notable spike in heart

00:17:22 --> 00:17:24 attacks and ischemic strokes, mood

00:17:24 --> 00:17:27 disturbances and fatigue related accidents,

00:17:27 --> 00:17:30 including a uh, 6% increase in fatal

00:17:30 --> 00:17:33 accidents. It also induces a uh, sort of

00:17:33 --> 00:17:35 mini jet lag, impairing cognitive performance

00:17:35 --> 00:17:37 judgement and elevating the rates of mood

00:17:37 --> 00:17:39 disturbances, irritability and missed

00:17:39 --> 00:17:42 appointments. They say while some people may

00:17:42 --> 00:17:44 prefer a permanent daylight savings time

00:17:44 --> 00:17:46 they've introduced because it allows them

00:17:46 --> 00:17:47 more daylight in their recreational time

00:17:47 --> 00:17:50 after work standard time is generally more

00:17:50 --> 00:17:53 beneficial for human health, especially for

00:17:53 --> 00:17:54 those whose mood and mental health are

00:17:54 --> 00:17:57 particularly affected by dark mornings.

00:17:58 --> 00:18:01 A new study claims too much exposure to light

00:18:01 --> 00:18:04 during night can influence the shape of your

00:18:04 --> 00:18:06 heart. The findings reported in the European

00:18:06 --> 00:18:09 Heart Journal could explain a known link

00:18:09 --> 00:18:11 between light pollution and heart disease.

00:18:11 --> 00:18:13 Looking into this link, the authors asked

00:18:13 --> 00:18:16 11 UK adults to wear light sensors

00:18:16 --> 00:18:18 on their wrists for a week to see how dark

00:18:18 --> 00:18:21 their sleep environment was. Three years

00:18:21 --> 00:18:23 later, uh, the participants underwent a heart

00:18:23 --> 00:18:26 scan using mri. The authors say the

00:18:26 --> 00:18:28 scan results for the participants who were

00:18:28 --> 00:18:30 exposed to the most amount of light at night

00:18:30 --> 00:18:32 were remarkably different. There was evidence

00:18:32 --> 00:18:34 of changes in the structure of three of the

00:18:34 --> 00:18:36 four heart chambers and the hearts didn't

00:18:36 --> 00:18:38 appear to be flexing as effectively during

00:18:38 --> 00:18:41 each beat. The researchers say these are all

00:18:41 --> 00:18:44 signs of stress or injury and could lead to a

00:18:44 --> 00:18:46 weaker heart or even heart failure.

00:18:48 --> 00:18:50 Palaeontologists have discovered the first

00:18:50 --> 00:18:52 ever Diplodocus dinosaur fossils outside

00:18:52 --> 00:18:55 North America. The discovery, which includes

00:18:55 --> 00:18:57 14 exceptionally well preserved tail

00:18:57 --> 00:18:59 vertebrae and several chevron bones, were

00:18:59 --> 00:19:01 unearthed at a dig site in Spain.

00:19:01 --> 00:19:04 Diplodocus are members of the iconic Ceropod

00:19:04 --> 00:19:07 dinosaur family, the ones with elephant like

00:19:07 --> 00:19:10 bodies and legs, a long, long tail at one end

00:19:10 --> 00:19:12 and a long neck and small head at the other.

00:19:12 --> 00:19:13 Just think of Fred Watson Flintstone's pet

00:19:13 --> 00:19:16 Dino. They can reach lengths of over 25

00:19:16 --> 00:19:19 metres. Until now, all confirmed

00:19:19 --> 00:19:21 Diplodocus specimens have come exclusively

00:19:21 --> 00:19:23 from the Morrison Formation in the western

00:19:23 --> 00:19:26 United States. Its presence in Europe

00:19:26 --> 00:19:28 provides compelling evidence that dinosaurs

00:19:28 --> 00:19:30 could migrate between North America and

00:19:30 --> 00:19:33 Europe during the late Triassic period 150

00:19:33 --> 00:19:35 million million years ago, likely crossing

00:19:35 --> 00:19:38 temporary land bridges that emerged as the

00:19:38 --> 00:19:40 proto North Atlantic Ocean underwent

00:19:40 --> 00:19:43 regressive phases. A

00:19:43 --> 00:19:44 new study warns that People in the early

00:19:44 --> 00:19:47 stages of psychosis may be more vulnerable to

00:19:47 --> 00:19:50 AI chatbots, making their condition worse.

00:19:51 --> 00:19:52 A report of the Journal of the American

00:19:52 --> 00:19:55 Medical association claims AI psychosis

00:19:55 --> 00:19:57 is more common in people experiencing their

00:19:57 --> 00:19:59 first episode of the mental illness.

00:20:00 --> 00:20:02 The study used health records to look at the

00:20:02 --> 00:20:05 role AI chatbots played in people's psychotic

00:20:05 --> 00:20:07 symptoms. They found that around

00:20:07 --> 00:20:10 0% of patients with

00:20:10 --> 00:20:12 psychosis had records showing their psychosis

00:20:12 --> 00:20:15 worsened when they used chatbots. The

00:20:15 --> 00:20:17 authors say psychosis worsening interactions

00:20:17 --> 00:20:20 with AI chatbots were most common among

00:20:20 --> 00:20:22 patients experiencing their first episode of

00:20:22 --> 00:20:24 psychosis, which suggests that the early

00:20:24 --> 00:20:26 phase of the psychotic illness may leave

00:20:26 --> 00:20:28 people especially vulnerable.

00:20:29 --> 00:20:32 Beijing says it now expects to have a fully

00:20:32 --> 00:20:34 combat ready robotic army within the next

00:20:34 --> 00:20:37 five to 10 years. China is now

00:20:37 --> 00:20:39 producing tens of thousands of humanoids

00:20:39 --> 00:20:42 annually. Beijing is now actively testing and

00:20:42 --> 00:20:44 integrating humanoid robots, quadruped

00:20:44 --> 00:20:47 robotic dogs and unmanned ground and aerial

00:20:47 --> 00:20:49 vehicles into the People's Liberation Army.

00:20:49 --> 00:20:52 Chinese state media and the PLA have already

00:20:52 --> 00:20:54 showcased humanoid super soldiers, including

00:20:54 --> 00:20:57 prototypes from Unitree and UVTech, which are

00:20:57 --> 00:20:59 capable of autonomous actions, navigating

00:20:59 --> 00:21:01 stairs, rubble and rough terrain,

00:21:01 --> 00:21:04 participating in tactical drills and urban

00:21:04 --> 00:21:06 combat exercises. They've also

00:21:06 --> 00:21:09 demonstrated armed UM B1 series quadrupeds

00:21:09 --> 00:21:11 carrying automatic rifles, grenade launchers

00:21:11 --> 00:21:13 and even rocket launchers. While they are now

00:21:13 --> 00:21:15 being deployed into operational situations

00:21:15 --> 00:21:18 like police patrols, most current machines

00:21:18 --> 00:21:20 still face limitations, including battery

00:21:20 --> 00:21:22 life limits of just two to three hours.

00:21:23 --> 00:21:25 Nevertheless, the recent robotic Olympics set

00:21:25 --> 00:21:28 numerous human beating records, including the

00:21:28 --> 00:21:30 100, 400 metre sprints and the high jump.

00:21:31 --> 00:21:33 With the details of just where our robotic

00:21:33 --> 00:21:35 future is going, we're joined by technology

00:21:35 --> 00:21:38 editor Alex Zaharov Vroit from Tech Advice

00:21:38 --> 00:21:39 Live.

00:21:39 --> 00:21:42 Alex Zaharov-Reutt: We have seen these robots from China running

00:21:42 --> 00:21:44 marathons. There's a story of this

00:21:44 --> 00:21:47 robot barista in, uh, China. In one of their

00:21:47 --> 00:21:50 Cities, they did 202 coffees in an

00:21:50 --> 00:21:52 hour. They did it very smoothly. The people

00:21:52 --> 00:21:54 were impressed how the puppet tasted. They

00:21:54 --> 00:21:55 turned up, but they had to wait in a long

00:21:55 --> 00:21:57 queue and before they knew it, they had their

00:21:57 --> 00:21:57 coffee.

00:21:57 --> 00:21:59 Stuart Gary: I think what people are more concerned about,

00:21:59 --> 00:22:01 though, is the scenes that we've

00:22:01 --> 00:22:03 Stuart Gary: seen where these robots are running at

00:22:03 --> 00:22:05 Stuart Gary: really high speeds, much faster than a human

00:22:05 --> 00:22:07 can. They're jumping higher than a person

00:22:07 --> 00:22:10 can. We've already seen robot dogs fitted

00:22:10 --> 00:22:12 with guns. This is sort of the area we're

00:22:12 --> 00:22:13 heading into now, isn't it?

00:22:13 --> 00:22:15 Alex Zaharov-Reutt: Well, it is. And you've got both Elon Musk

00:22:15 --> 00:22:17 and all the Chinese manufacturers racing

00:22:17 --> 00:22:19 ahead to try and create robots that are

00:22:19 --> 00:22:21 superhuman. They can run faster, they can

00:22:21 --> 00:22:22 Jump higher, as you said. But you know, we've

00:22:22 --> 00:22:24 also seen the robots that have run at the end

00:22:24 --> 00:22:26 of the Chinese marathon and somehow tripped

00:22:26 --> 00:22:28 and then fell into, you know, broke into a

00:22:28 --> 00:22:29 million pieces. Or robots that have reached

00:22:29 --> 00:22:31 the finish line but instead of stopping, they

00:22:31 --> 00:22:33 kept on thrown to a wall and started

00:22:33 --> 00:22:35 convulsing on the floor and fell apart again.

00:22:35 --> 00:22:37 People are trying very hard to accelerate

00:22:37 --> 00:22:40 this technology and to make it an Android

00:22:40 --> 00:22:41 that is indistinguishable from a human like

00:22:41 --> 00:22:43 we've seen in all the science fiction and

00:22:43 --> 00:22:44 movies and books by Asimov and all the rest.

00:22:44 --> 00:22:46 But it's still going to take a decade or two

00:22:46 --> 00:22:48 before we get to true and potentially longer.

00:22:48 --> 00:22:50 But this true dexterity, robots that can

00:22:50 --> 00:22:53 truly be creative, robots that can feel at

00:22:53 --> 00:22:55 the moment AI can fake empathy, fake

00:22:55 --> 00:22:58 feelings, fake concern and seem very

00:22:58 --> 00:23:00 sincere. But at the moment the robot can't

00:23:00 --> 00:23:02 feel anything. Now is that going to change in

00:23:02 --> 00:23:04 the future? Yes, inevitably. But at the

00:23:04 --> 00:23:06 moment, yes. The robot called Neo, if you

00:23:06 --> 00:23:07 watch the video on YouTube, eight minutes

00:23:07 --> 00:23:09 long. I mean it's very slow. It can vacuum,

00:23:09 --> 00:23:12 it can clean your room, it can unload the

00:23:12 --> 00:23:14 dishwasher and put things in the dryer, but

00:23:14 --> 00:23:16 it's so slow and funky. It's like watching a

00:23:16 --> 00:23:18 33,6K modem. You've been able to buy robots

00:23:18 --> 00:23:20 by the end of this decade that will be a home

00:23:20 --> 00:23:22 robot will be the roads of the robot. But the

00:23:22 --> 00:23:25 robots that you'll truly trust to give you a

00:23:25 --> 00:23:27 hygiene at the dentist, uh, cook your food to

00:23:27 --> 00:23:29 perfection. I mean that's still some years

00:23:29 --> 00:23:31 away and potentially decades away.

00:23:31 --> 00:23:34 Stuart Gary: I see the prices getting lower. $20 for

00:23:34 --> 00:23:36 something in the US that's the of a used car.

00:23:36 --> 00:23:38 Alex Zaharov-Reutt: Well, it is, but uh, wait until Those robots

00:23:38 --> 00:23:40 are $2 at your local Harvey Norman.

00:23:40 --> 00:23:42 Stuart Gary: That's Alex Sahar of Roy from Tech Advice

00:23:42 --> 00:23:45 Start Life. And this is Space.

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